RED

Long story incoming.

TLDR:This is some straight Drama Lama shit.. and has little to do with wormhole space. Just someone in high sec talking trash, and us punishing him for it.

So we had Red Garsk on DTP podcast once, he talked about a corp he was setting up and life in a lower class wormhole. It was a good interview. No complaints.

Fast forward a few months.

I'm on Podside just saying Hi, an Red Garsk is on with me. He and I are on the same side in the conversations. We both have wormhole experience, his more on the pve side... which is Ok don't get me wrong. But as a wormhole hunter to a wormhole carebear the predator prey relationship can only withstand so much.

I think I was the one who started with the jabs by calling him a "High sec Diver Bear" (a pilot who lives in high sec and jumps into wormhole space for ISK only) or something along those lines. Not really an insult, but more of a description as to what he does in wormhole space.

Well, he may have taken offence to this description, because he stewed on it for a bit and eventually said something to the effect 'I love the podcast but lost respect for you when you brought in 70+ people to kill a carrier'.

This then forced me to rehash why that happened and then he backed down.

Fast forward to the next Podside recording day and everyone is poking me again about this fucking dumb carrier. More so Red Garsk... He even goes so far as to say that my PVP wormhole corp can't kill anything without guns. I blow it off as simple trolling. Parts of my corp didn't.

This constant trolling about this one little thing continues. Again, I blow it off, parts of my corp don't. They go so far as to be somewhat upset that he is continuing this after being told again and again why that happened.

I give him some simply warnings about my guys. I tell him after the podcast and explain you can't simply talk shit to my guys, you need to go easy. Red then goes on some kind of diatribe about how in real life nobody threatens him! He's TUFF !  I try and keep him somewhat grounded and explain., this isn't real life, nobody is taking this to real life, but in game these people value their reputations.

You just don't piss on that because you think its funny, because the people you are pissing on, think your tears are super funny too.

Welp, my guys went super creepy and showed exactly why they are in our corp.


Lotor put together a spread sheet, you could even call it a matrix of intel. Direct lines and links between characters flown by Red. He narrowed it down to the point of every character on Reds accounts. They even figure out that Red bought ... RED! lolz...



I get this mail the following day.




I found where he mines :)
From: Lotor
Sent: 2013.12.03 19:13
To: Baby Daddy,  Cylin Rath,  Longinius Spear, 

Time to set up ganking in the next few days


Re: I found where he mines :)
From: Cylin Rath
Sent: 2013.12.03 21:33
To: Baby Daddy,  Longinius Spear,  Lotor, 

I just need to go get a passive targeting and ship scanner now.
http://i.imgur.com/woPwPvs.jpg


(The picture was hilarious. Not only did they find him, but they found out that his a uber highsec carebear miner now. He may have been someone in wormhole space in the past, but now he triple box mines. )


Re: Re: I found where he mines :)
From: Lotor
Sent: 2013.12.04 15:33
To: Baby Dady,  Cylin Rath,  Longinius Spear, 

stationed lotor and 2 out of corp alts near amarr. one for a warp in and 1 for extra dps. I did ping cloud a message on ts this morning he might around when we try this. Also started listening to the new pod cast this morning not even 5 mins in he knocks spear :)


(See again I'm not pissed that he keeps knocking me, its all fun and games. My guys on the other hand... )

Re: Re: Re: I found where he mines :)
From: Baby Dady
Sent: 2013.12.04 21:42
To: Cloudhunter Yannamr,  Cylin Rath,  Longinius Spear,  Lotor, 
I added cloud to this mail chain.

I have a Catalyst fit and ready in the same system as Lotor.  I am still going diving, but I will stay close to HS to I can be ready on short notice.  I would be fantastic if we could get him during the PODSIDE broadcast tonight.  :)

Also,  If anybody is short on funds, I will pay for any  & all ships needed. ( Even if we want to go full retard with BC's for the orca )

BD (Baby Dady)



So Saturday 12/7 I head off to a player meetup. Fun times but everyone says I look like Luis C K. http://imgur.com/Khl0cJq

Turns out the corp suicide ganked Red and his alt in high sec while I was offline.

The corp mail

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We have defended our honor!!
From: Baby Dady
Sent: 2013.12.08 08:05
To: Semper Ubi Sub Ubi,

We have defended our honor!!!

Kill: Michi Aishai (Hulk) http://underwear.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20822796

Kill: Red Garsk (Hulk) http://underwear.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20822797

We were the instrument of BOB’s wrath.  

5 brave pilots risked life and limb by traveling through the desolate zones known as High Security Space.  Our quest was simple; reach out from the beyond and make BOB’s Judgment a reality.  We were strangers in the land, unaware of the customs of the natives, but we prevailed nun the less.  All but one of us overcame the ‘Safety’ function built into our vehicles of fiery destruction as we decimated the bear.

We silenced our critic!  He didn’t speak for the entirety of the public spectacle known as the PODSIDE Podcast this evening.   His only comment in chat is listed below.

[ 2013.12.08 05:56:38 ] Jack Miton > HEADSHOT!!!
[ 2013.12.08 05:57:01 ] Baby Dady > Kill: Red Garsk (Hulk)
[ 2013.12.08 05:57:07 ] Baby Dady > Kill: Michi Aishai (Hulk)
[ 2013.12.08 05:57:10 ] Red Garsk > you want a balloon now ?
[ 2013.12.08 05:57:12 ] DaeHan Minhyok > LOL
[ 2013.12.08 05:57:30 ] Jack Miton > SUSU are big fans of HS mining ;)
[ 2013.12.08 05:57:48 ] Harrigan VonStudly > RED!! wtf a hulk

Let me set your minds at ease now.  Even though this Wormhole charlatan made our kill rights available to the public for free, we all made it home safely.

I say to you all honestly, I do want a balloon now! 

Praise BOB!

BD

Re: Re: Re: I found where he mines :)
From: Cylin Rath
Sent: 2013.12.08 04:35
To: Baby Dady,  Cloudhunter Yannamr,  Longinius Spear,  Lotor, 


Red is online and it looks like he is setting up his mining op befor Podside starts. Michi and Red are in Yarebap VI - Asteroid Belt 3 and his Orca alt just arrived in system a couple minutes ago.


Re: Re: Re: I found where he mines :)
From: Cylin Rath
Sent: 2013.12.08 15:07
To: Baby Dady,  Cloudhunter Yannamr,  Cylin Rath,  Longinius Spear,  Lotor, 


As of this morning locator agents report:

Dex Hekard - In some wormhole (Online 15:05)
Joyana Dakota - In some wormhole (Online 15:05)
Michi Aishai - Romi V - Moon 1 - Freedom Extension Storage (Offline)
Red Garsk - Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant (Online until 14:50ish)
Tanika Amaru - Jita IV - moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant (Online 15:05)


So that's where it stood this morning. Bob appeased and life was returning to normal. Then I'm having a discussion with Pukin about afk cloaking.. and Red logs in.



[ 2013.12.08 22:10:51 ] Red Garsk > Dont disagree with him too much FrFrmPukin, he'll come and gank you when you are flying something that can't shoot back, or simply call in his 70+ friends...

There he goes, starting shit again. I don't get it... just cool it bro. B less mad.



[ 2013.12.08 22:11:35 ] Longinius Spear > Red.. don't you have a pilot to buy?

-- Low blow I know.. but honestly I'm really tired of him trying to sell his persona of this bad ass wormhole guy.







[ 2013.12.08 22:18:34 ] Red Garsk > The man buys plex to fly his ships Pukin, you heard him give me crap on podside when I said some of us do ingame activiies to earn ingame money... he does not do that at all, so he'll never understand...

He SUPER mad!



[ 2013.12.08 22:20:21 ] Longinius Spear > Shh red.. you live in neither null sec or w-space http://i.imgur.com/woPwPvs.jpg
[ 2013.12.08 22:21:11 ] Red Garsk > I don't ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:21:44 ] Red Garsk > I've been in wormholes longer then the character Red exists, so please dude... feed me some more of your bull
[ 2013.12.08 22:22:27 ] Longinius Spear > I think "been" is the key word there
[ 2013.12.08 22:22:51 ] Red Garsk > and dont give me that elitist attitude all of a sudden just because of yesterday, cause you've been pretending to be a nice guy, and now you're just a dick
[ 2013.12.08 22:22:52 ] Longinius Spear > Kill: Michi Aishai (Hulk)  Kill: Red Garsk (Hulk)
[ 2013.12.08 22:23:26 ] Red Garsk > your point ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:23:40 ] Longinius Spear > You are a High sec miner who plays like a wormholer.
[ 2013.12.08 22:23:49 ] Red Garsk > hahaha
[ 2013.12.08 22:24:07 ] Longinius Spear > You bought your charaters.. you talk and poke people you shouldn't ...
[ 2013.12.08 22:24:13 ] Red Garsk > Spear, stop talking cause you're sounding like an idiot and you dont know what you're sayign

[ 2013.12.08 22:26:36 ] Red Garsk > Why are you acting like this dude ? What made you go all asshole against me all of a sudden dude, Tuesday was all fun and games and now you're a being a dick, I don't get it, did that killmail all of a sudden change your attitude against me ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:26:47 ] Red Garsk > Cause I dont remember being that fucking rude to you
[ 2013.12.08 22:32:20 ] Longinius Spear > The things you said to myself and podside were legit not nice. You honestly hurt us in our feels. They are sad now.
[ 2013.12.08 22:47:58 ] Longinius Spear > Baby Dady and  Lotor are sad.. they may never have feels again



 (Red Opens a private convo with me)


13.12.08 22:32:49 ] Red Garsk > Why are you like this ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:32:59 ] Longinius Spear > I think you are confusing me throwing mud back as being a jerk.. If you continue to do this to me. I will return the favor
[ 2013.12.08 22:33:30 ] Longinius Spear > "pussy Hurt"...
[ 2013.12.08 22:33:41 ] Longinius Spear > Shooting unarmed ships.. 70 man gangs..
[ 2013.12.08 22:33:47 ] Red Garsk > ahhh come on
[ 2013.12.08 22:33:52 ] Red Garsk > are you kidding me ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:02 ] Red Garsk > you talk smack about everyone, and now you're crying ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:03 ] Longinius Spear > I'm serious if you keep flinging shit at me.. we will fling back
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:17 ] Red Garsk > serious ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:27 ] Red Garsk > have you listened to any of the podside episodes ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:36 ] Longinius Spear > Do you honestly think by you talking trash... you wouldn't get a response?
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:43 ] Red Garsk > we had this conversation over and over,
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:43 ] Longinius Spear > honestly?
[ 2013.12.08 22:34:53 ] Red Garsk > what ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:35:09 ] Longinius Spear > DO you think that you talking trash .. wouldn't get me talking trash back?
[ 2013.12.08 22:35:13 ] Red Garsk > trash, you called me a couple of things as well dude, so dont give me that crap
[ 2013.12.08 22:35:59 ] Red Garsk > You are seriously acting like a jerk
[ 2013.12.08 22:36:02 ] Longinius Spear > DO you think that I'm not worthy of respect?
[ 2013.12.08 22:36:05 ] Longinius Spear > do you?
[ 2013.12.08 22:36:27 ] Red Garsk > when have I ever disrespected you dude
[ 2013.12.08 22:36:28 ] Longinius Spear > DO you think what I do in wormhole space isn't worth your respect?
[ 2013.12.08 22:36:41 ] Red Garsk > dude, chill the fuck down
[ 2013.12.08 22:37:06 ] Longinius Spear > then cut the 70 man blob nonsense... the "pussy hurt' shit.. the down playing of what we (me and my corp) do in this game
[ 2013.12.08 22:37:13 ] Red Garsk > you can talk to me in a relaxed way, like adults
[ 2013.12.08 22:38:28 ] Red Garsk > I dont let people threaten me like that
[ 2013.12.08 22:38:39 ] Longinius Spear > DO you knw why i don't run my mouth at people who blob me? and explod my ships.. who double cross me and kill all of us?.. We don't run our mouths for VERY good reasons. because they would REMOVE US. If you were in w-space you would know that.
[ 2013.12.08 22:38:40 ] Red Garsk > I speak my mind, I dont let anyone silence me
[ 2013.12.08 22:39:20 ] Longinius Spear > THis is what I'm trying to eplain.. my guys know better than to run their mouths.. I'm calm.. i'm trying to address you as an adult. YOU CAN"T say thee things to people and expect no response
[ 2013.12.08 22:39:42 ] Longinius Spear > If you kee prefusing to do that.. people will continue to dish it back ten fold
[ 2013.12.08 22:39:44 ] Red Garsk > what you are doing right now, is confusing having fun on a podcast with actual disrespect, have you not heard any of the things we say at the end of each show
[ 2013.12.08 22:40:59 ] Red Garsk > are you going to hunt down min and Zion aswell ? they have all given you and your corp crap, and you know what, we were all having a laugh, and you are treating it like disrespect and say that I have hurt you... seriously ? I thought it was a game to yo
[ 2013.12.08 22:41:00 ] Red Garsk > you
[ 2013.12.08 22:41:40 ] Longinius Spear > Its not me. Its my guys. Perhaps if you apologized on Posdie and stopped with the 70 man blob trolling every minute it would stop
[ 2013.12.08 22:42:14 ] Longinius Spear > I'm not exaggerating.. they ahve nearly every one of your accounts/characters on watch lists. THey are really hunting you.
[ 2013.12.08 22:43:08 ] Red Garsk > and that means what to me ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:43:42 ] Longinius Spear > It means if you want to do anything in this game other than stay in a station and talk more trash.. you may want to cut it out.. and say your sorry. Thats what that means
[ 2013.12.08 22:44:10 ] Red Garsk > Spear, now you listen to me
[ 2013.12.08 22:44:26 ] Red Garsk > you go and listen to the last 5 or 6 episodes, and then come talk to me again
[ 2013.12.08 22:44:48 ] Red Garsk > and I aint letting you, or anyone else treaten me ingame, out of game or what ever...
[ 2013.12.08 22:44:50 ] Longinius Spear > You aren't getting the message
[ 2013.12.08 22:44:54 ] Red Garsk > lets make that real clear
[ 2013.12.08 22:45:18 ] Red Garsk > Spear, go back and listen to the episodes
[ 2013.12.08 22:46:06 ] Red Garsk > no wait, I will make it easy, go back and listen to all the shout outs from past 5 episodes,
[ 2013.12.08 22:46:11 ] Red Garsk > and come talk to me
[ 2013.12.08 22:46:25 ] Longinius Spear > I'm not threating you. I'm telling you exactly how it is. If you wish to alter that, you will need to do those things. I'm on your side. I'm trying to help you. Put aside your high sec never blue nobody honor for justa  moment . and listen
[ 2013.12.08 22:48:54 ] Red Garsk > sure sounds like threats to me
[ 2013.12.08 22:49:02 ] Longinius Spear > FFS Red...
[ 2013.12.08 22:49:15 ] Longinius Spear > I don't get you
[ 2013.12.08 22:50:06 ] Red Garsk > Spear, I am at the point of going on a rampage right now, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY OF THE SHOUTOUTS ON ANY OF THE FUCKING EPISODES ?
[ 2013.12.08 22:51:30 ] Longinius Spear > The people in my corp take wormhole space very seriously.. they delight in bringing misery in game... To solve this situation this is going to take you eating some humble pie. If you don't want to do that.. thats cool too bro..
[ 2013.12.08 22:51:57 ] Red Garsk > go stick it up your ass, I'm done with you


(he leaves convo)


This isn't really about space honor or any other bull shit like that. Its really more someone talking shit for 2 hours straight for two weeks and thinking they could just say "O sorry, didn't mean that" at the end. That may work in high sec miner land, but in wormhole space we try and be respectful.


EDIT-- 12/9/

Red posted this on my Down the Pipe Podcast post in the eve forums Holy Shit he is mad.


-- He posted this.

I will listen to the episode tomorrow but Baby Dady's blog is hillarious... A little self centered and he makes himself sound so incredibly skilled but I gotta give him props for actually spending all that time watching other people... A little creepy but I guess if you are into that kinda stuff... Just remember to use a towl to clean up when you're done.

I wanted to leave this message on his blog, but you have to sign in with all sorts of accounts that I don't have, so I'll post it here.

Quote:

Does anyone actually read your blog, all of the posts have 0 comments on them... or are you using the blogsite to leave something behind for your kids to read ? You are after all Baby Dady... You might have made a type there, I dont know... but it sounds funny.

Hey btw, what a load of bull on the "special project"... You guys take that stuff way too seriously... Trollololol....

Greetz,

The SUSU factor

TLDR: I blow myself and my corp with backhanded complements. Trying and failing to describe how my corp conducts itself in wormhole space. I'm also bad at blogging.

This might sound like a self-absorbed post and you will have to trust me that’s not really my intention. I want to describe a phenomenon I have never really encountered in my time in EVE Online.

Semper Ubi Sub Ubi translates to “Always Wear Under Wear” It was one of the nonsensical phases my father used to say at random times. He would just say stuff like that to break the tension to try and be funny. I adopted it for the very same reason. Our ticker is SUSU and most people don’t want to bother to type out Latin when addressing us.  

Now silly, random and overall FUN is our goal. Right now PVP gets us this, since we such a small scale we can always fight on a reduced level. In wormhole space, we can fight any aggressor, we lose most of our fights, but we try!

It’s gotten us some very interesting fights and gotten to know many other wormhole groups who take things a bit more seriously.

Where I’m going with all this is, as of late we in SUSU have been bat phoned by 6 separate groups on more than one occasion. Think about that, 6 other groups of people called us up and asked us to join them on some kind of mission. Most are MUCH larger than ourselves. We are a corp of about 20 real life humans, we are tiny! We can muster fleets of about 10 ships but most are just alts and most of us are multi boxing in PVP (bad idea), but they still call us!

I have pondered this at great lengths and I call it the “SUSU Factor”.

We have built a reputation for the people who have fought us that we will always bite bait, we will attack if we can, outnumbered or not. We aren’t respected by all other wormhole corps, but they know what to expect from us. They know when they see a solo gnosis on the hole… its bait, and if it’s a SUSU gnosis there is going to be a smallish fleet behind it.

How other corps react to that reputation is different each time. Some will intentionally ship down and bring it for the lolz. Others will ship up and attempt to kill every last one of us. Now we in SUSU are OK with all of those outcomes. Just as long as something exploded!

Now I can’t tell if we are noble warriors or ignorant sheep. I just know the scouts we have in our corp are some of the best in EVE online. They know their shit! They are piss poor pvpers most of the time, but finding targets, holes, alts, intel, activity levels, anything and everything that a FC would want to know. They will get it done in record time.

Here are some real stories and examples of what I’m talking about.

A few nights ago SKY FIGHTERS.. a huge c5 wormhole merc corp saw one of our guys passing through a high sec and warping to the outside of a wormhole. Just 1! They built a fleet and came looking for us because it was a slow day for them. As it turns out the SUSU pilot was lost and was actually trying to get into our home and went to the wrong high sec. Later that night and talking to them about something totally different, it turns out they had multiple scouts looking for that 1 guy, because and I quote “They knew we would bring a fight”.

Two nights ago, we got bat phoned to come in and jump some capitals doing dumb things in a c6. We brought 10 pilots. The people who bat phoned us, called 2 other corps/alliances also. We were a very small slice a huge 60+ man fleet. The capital targets evaporated, logged off and all we were left with some very bored wormhole pilots. We saw KILL (kill it with fire) on D-scan.. in the target chain. SUSU jumped at the chance to be bait! And it was believable bait because of the SUSU factor. Yes we park our fleet inside places and try and shoot people. A super huge KILL fleet would jump all over that shit. KILL knows “WE WILL BRING THE FIGHT!” The bait didn’t work out, turns out Kill never even saw us. But from the 50 other people in the fleets point of view, it was a legit thing that could happen. SUSU does dumb shit and they are not always bait for a 50 man rape gang!

Few nights ago, one of our scouts got smoked by a trapping gang.. They had a dictor, 2 proteus, 1 loki and a cepter. My T3 scout was fucked the minute he got in there. The people who killed my scout knew SUSU would on them like white on rice. They instantly knew to try and close the hole that they nabbed my scout on. Not because they were scared, but because they knew a fleet of random ass crazy fuckers would be inbound for a fight and they simply didn’t have time for that right now. We don’t win every engagement but defiantly make shit hard for people.  We mustered a fleet so quickly that we managed to kill one of their closing battleships.

I want to say and I have said this many times. It tickles me absolutely pink when people invite us to team up for legit pvp. It not only brings a tear to my eye, but it makes me very proud of my pilots and what they accomplish. People actually think we bring something other than random crazy people shooting anything with engines! 

So if you know us or don’t, you have some spaceships that need killing… Ring me up. I don’t care if you’re out numbered, I don’t care if you are just ganking some site runners in your home… We will BRING IT! We don’t bring PVP skill… we bring scouts who try and shoot other space ships.We have proven there is a difference :)

This is the SUSU Factor.  Think a real life pickup artist that can pick up any woman in the world, but couldn’t close the deal in the bed.  To be amazing scouts and content creators but total shit at pvp. The juxtapose to be amazing at one little facet of the game, and be totally inept at the finishing steps. These all may sound like a bunch of back handed complements, but it really is the mentality of my corp and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

<3  SUSU

SUSU CORP UPDATE 11/26

Just our corp update mail. ---

SUSU is Fail-Scading.  

Let’s face it, we’re doomed.

We have lost some very prominent individuals recently and undergone some purging.

The body count is as follows.

Bronya – No longer a director and is taking a break from the game for a while.

Printemps – Logged off one day and wasn’t seen again till he came on and said he unsubbed.

Donuts -- Logged off one day and wasn’t seen again till he came on and said he unsubbed.

HerrBert – Joined his indi-wormhole corp.

Vimple – Went to play LoL with a totally different wormhole corp.

Hairy Grapes (placid09) – Off to hang out with EMB or whatever some Null sec group is calling themselves.

Sojurn – Went back to Draco’s dozen

Twitch – Went back to Draco’s Dozen

+ Or – like 10 some alts from the above people. + or – a bunch of other people who never really played in the wormhole.

All the people should RIP in Peace.

Demotion--

Cethion – No longer director and is now a mere mortal living with the Sketchy folk. – He is still with us. Lets not give him too much shit about the demotion because he really didn’t want to be director in the first place.

So here we are --- 78 members. Nearly half that is my alts, what are we to do?

I have an answer… We are going to do what every corp should do when hemorrhaging members.

Create Medals!

Thanks to some large donations by our remaining player base, we have money in the corp wallet for medals!

Last night I entertained some ideas about what we should try and reward people for doing. I have come up with the following so far.

1^st.  “The golden Fr-orca” or Free Orca – Medal.

Many scouts in SUSU feel it’s a rite of passage to be awarded a free orca or “Fr-orca” in the ancient dialect. So we are going to award those brave scouts who have been lucky enough to encounter this mythical beast. Orca are often used to close wormholes, and for whatever reason their pilots leap out of them once tackled, creating a pilotless Orca for the scout as payment.

2^nd.  “The David Carradine.– Medal

There are times in a scouts career when he needs to stand up for bobs justice and set up a solo pvp hole to bring content to a desperate player base. He simply needs to go and do Bobs work day in and day out in someone else’s hole. He will be self-sufficient up to the point when its super funny not to be. He will live by the sword and smash bears till he is paid to leave.

He will go on a spiritual journey… till he gets bored and comes home… like a week or so later.. or whatever. Watch the TV show “Kung FU” for inspiration.

3^rd “The GIVE NO FUCKS” – Medal

A medal for the suicidal, the mad, the crazy and the bold. The ability to Give No Fucks what so ever and dive head first without any way of returning. Now we do this as a matter of process for the most part, but sometimes, it becomes the stuff of legend!

I can’t think of anything else atm.. but whatever the medals in the future will be, they will be funny.

Let’s keep on Fail-Scading guys!  and remember the medals!

     Spear