Friday, July 22, 2016

Getting Snooty - The Attack on Abe Froman

                                                      Don't get Snooty with me! -- Actor never seen again

Friday: I was pinged on slack with this message. 

"We are being shot at!!!!"

The above picture is a fairly good size fleet bashing Abe Froman 1. Sadly because I'm an idiot and don't know how EVE time works, it was the middle of the afternoon for everyone, but Kildress.


O well, one more thing I need to sort out once this is over.

My goal for Abe Froman the citadel was for its timer to be set for friday night starting at around 8pm EST. This didn't happen.

By the time anyone got online, the 1st timer was triggered, starting a 24 hour timer to come out Saturday afternoon. 4pm EST. Not the best of times, but manageable. This gave us just enough time to work on hole control, and run some intel on why this attack was happening.

We figured out it was some Wspace pvpers and Null sec pvpers who seemed to specialize in ganks. Their Kills were all overwhelming numbers with almost no losses. Not the kind to sit around and brawl when the outcome was in question.

This lead us to believe that this was a one off attack for a group that was just knocking on our door, so to speak.

Step 1. See how many connections we had.  We figured out, we had only the two statics, and the C2 static was Crit. The list of ships meant a lot of mass was put through one of the holes. Counting the battleships and their respective masses, we figured out the fleet must have gone back out the way they came. The other reason for a crit connection would be to reduce the chance we could get a batphone fleet in to help with defenders. But if this was the case, the C3 static would also be crit, which it wasn't.


Step 2. Figure out if they had an invasion POS erected.  After some quick warping around, we didn't find anything out of the ordinary. I guess the attackers liked hard mode.

Step 3. Get hole control.

During an invasion, it is absolutely essential you maintain hole control for the duration of the timer. Without it, the defenders could bring in more pilots, either in corp or out. If you can't bring in more defenders, you can't maintain the advantage.

I warp to the hole and check for a fleet.  Nothing.

I better roll it. I warp my battleship to the hole and jump through. I see a stratios uncloak and tackle my torp typhoon. Well thats crazy, good thing I didn't use a rolling battleship for rolling! I put the Stratios into half armor and he fucks off.

Well 1 pass done!

The stat was from  "Straight Outta Wormholes". I'm thinking, great, now we are fighting a coalition of peeps and these guys are the ones guarding the hole.

O well. get this shit on! We get some more battleships and random things to finish off the hole and fight them.

They explode us more.

Typhoon loss

Armageddon loss

Exequror loss

We lost some other random things but after fighting with them for a bit, and figure out they aren't here to support the invasion, they were just connected to us. Cool, we'll fight'em anyway!

After fighting those guys, we said good fight and local and rolled the hole. Waiting for hostile probes to launch. Nothing.

Well if they aren't going to maintain hole control, we sure as shit will.

We crit the holes. It was approaching late night for me, and the only person online was our AUZ TZ player, so he was left with the mission to watch for scouts and do what he could to keep them out while the corp slept.


I wake up, get some coffee and checked slack to see if our AUZ player had any issues. He had instructions to ping me (wake me up) if he needed assistance. Nothing, no action.

I logged in and took over my watch of the crit holes. I also, because the AUZ guy was but one man, rolled both holes to reset the EOL timers, and just incase a scout slipped by him in the night.

I found the new statics and crit them. This time though, I set up a cloaked battleship on one side of the crit hole. The reason for this was, if they left a scout in the hole, and wanted to bring in their fleet, they would need to scan out an entrance. The moment the scout jumped through the crit hole, the battle ship would uncloak and jump heavy back into our home, thus trapping out the hostile scout.

Repeat till all scouts are either trapped out or the timer is up.

Not my first rodeo.

About 4 hours before the first timer we saw our first set of probes. We had enough players on to see if the hostile scout. It was a tengu. The strange thing was, he dropped a mobile depot at a safe first. We instantly set to finding it with combats and then encapping it.

The Tengu which we guessed wasn't warp cloaked fit, seemed to just warp around from safe to safe, till he logged off. Very odd for an invasion scout, but whatever.

About 3 hours before the timer, an astero uncloaked in the hole and dropped probes. We waited for it to jump through our crit holes. Nothing, they just probed down a single hole and yanked probes. Weird.

About an hour before the timer we out, we realize we have another SIG connected to home. Please don't be a frig hole.. please don't be a frig hole... boom.. not a frig hole, but it was a dangerous Unknown. Scout jumps in, and says. multiple mining ships on scan, out of a force field.

An hour before the timer, and we have an abvious bait. happening connected to us. Now here's the problem with getting podded out with less than hour on a timer, we can't use those pilots for defense.

For fucks sake....

I do what any good leader who isn't fit for command would do.


Scout gets a warp in, we send in the saber. Sabre lands and bubbles up.

Calls out many many more ships on D and landing.

Vindicator... Sviple... Sabre.. Loki.. Proteus.. Crow...

Guess what I decided to gank these miners with?

My solo Bhaalgorn !!  Go big and stupid or go home!

Bhaalgorn loss

I was not alone in my silliness.

Typhoon Loss

Typhoon Loss

Sabre Loss

The reason we went for the bait with battleships was we wanted to put on as much mass on the hole as possible, in the event the newly connected group decided to 3rd party our invasion.

Yes, I did manage to welp our fleet on a random connecting force minutes before our citadel timer was coming out of reinforced. I'm that fucking pro! ... sigh.. kill me now.

When our fleet landed we knew we were fucked. we just went for shit that pointed or bubbled in a hope that we could possibly get our pods back to the citadel before the timer came out. We were successful in that one thing, destroying the hostile sabre, even our suicidal tackle sabre pilot who managed to bubble himself slow boated his pod out of his own bubble and made it to safety.

I screamed. "Quick roll the hole while they loot out wrecks!!"

We managed to get a bunch of rolling maulers through the hole and as we were crushing it. One guy of the baiting force says in local.

"Why's your citadel in-capped"

To which I answer

"You're guess is as good as mine"

And close the connection and hope to god they didn't seed a scout and are looking to come knocking or offer to work with the attackers.

 During the time we waited for the timer, I had some strange conversations with the attackers. I figured since these people may not know who to ransom/threaten whatever, I would introduce myself, or at least be a point of contact.

I found one of the attacking corps public channels and decided to chat it up. :)

I'm Sir Lomax. 

[ 2016.07.16 16:11:07 ] Sir Lomax > hi there :)
[ 2016.07.16 16:12:09 ] Traavemynde > \o
[ 2016.07.16 16:12:16 ] Sir Lomax > you guys recruiting?
[ 2016.07.16 16:13:24 ] Traavemynde > nope
[ 2016.07.16 16:14:15 ] Sir Lomax > Any idea when recruitment will be open?
[ 2016.07.16 16:14:42 ] Traavemynde > in 2-3 weeks
[ 2016.07.16 16:15:26 ] Sir Lomax > Are you guys a wormhole corp? Interested in buying one?

I figured I might be able to see if they wanted to buy the hole they helped invade. LOL.

[ 2016.07.16 16:15:44 ] Traavemynde > kinda and nope
[ 2016.07.16 16:35:45 ] Sir Lomax > o/ xmaster
[ 2016.07.16 16:36:20 ] Traavemynde > \o xhamster
[ 2016.07.16 16:36:43 ] Amarr Shakaru > jan kannst du uns nen exit geben? :)
[ 2016.07.16 16:38:21 ] Sir Lomax > Ich bin auch der Suche nach einem Ausgang
[ 2016.07.16 16:38:45 ] Sir Lomax > rekrutieren ihr?
[ 2016.07.16 16:39:15 ] Amarr Shakaru > nein wir sind voll
[ 2016.07.16 16:39:31 ] Sir Lomax > :(
[ 2016.07.16 16:45:13 ] XMaster96 Xv3 > o/
[ 2016.07.16 16:45:15 ] XMaster96 Xv3 > ja
[ 2016.07.16 16:45:44 ] XMaster96 Xv3 > dann muss ich aber scanne, und es kann sein das ich ausgespert werde
[ 2016.07.16 16:46:57 ] Traavemynde > das Getriebe ist offensichtlich Bogeymen etwas?
[ 2016.07.16 16:48:07 ] Amarr Shakaru > keine hektik, BB is wieder off
[ 2016.07.16 16:48:12 ] Amarr Shakaru > verschieben wir auf morgen
[ 2016.07.16 16:48:19 ] XMaster96 Xv3 > ok
[ 2016.07.16 16:48:40 ] XMaster96 Xv3 > ich glaube die sind gerade noch sehr schreckhaft ^^
[ 2016.07.16 16:48:47 ] Amarr Shakaru > ja hehe
[ 2016.07.16 16:48:54 ] Amarr Shakaru > habt ihr die wenigstens erpresst?`
[ 2016.07.16 16:49:05 ] XMaster96 Xv3 > ne
[ 2016.07.16 16:49:24 ] Amarr Shakaru > ok
[ 2016.07.16 16:56:02 ] Sir Lomax > o/  Lord Periclitor
[ 2016.07.16 16:56:47 ] Lord Periclitor > hello fellow nerds and tom of germany
[ 2016.07.16 16:57:01 ] Traavemynde > \o LP
[ 2016.07.16 16:57:08 ] Amarr Shakaru > lol hi LP
[ 2016.07.16 16:57:11 ] Sir Lomax > LP is your corp recruiting?
[ 2016.07.16 16:57:55 ] Lord Periclitor > depends, you wanna get recruited?
[ 2016.07.16 16:58:12 ] Sir Lomax > Yep.
[ 2016.07.16 16:58:33 ] Lord Periclitor > why do we want you?
[ 2016.07.16 16:59:08 ] Sir Lomax > Well i'm a honest trustworthy guy, and I send flowers to my mother on mothers-day
[ 2016.07.16 16:59:26 ] Sir Lomax > two qualities that make for a great EVE player
[ 2016.07.16 16:59:54 ] Lord Periclitor > well, join our public chan and try poking recruiter
[ 2016.07.16 17:00:07 ] Sir Lomax > whats your public channel?
[ 2016.07.16 17:00:32 ] Lord Periclitor > STRCU Public
[ 2016.07.16 17:02:32 ] Sir Lomax > Thanx !

They gave me another place to chat it up while we wait for the timer.

Random German gang, one of them said in German something about finding an exit. That could mean they are trying to get out of their home hole and form up with a fleet, or they are trying to evac from our hole.

I went to the next channel.

[ 2016.07.16 17:00:43 ] Sir Lomax > o/
[ 2016.07.16 17:01:19 ] Sir Lomax > Anogra poke
[ 2016.07.16 17:01:37 ] Sir Lomax > LP says you might be recruiting
[ 2016.07.16 17:05:19 ] Anogra > hey  Sir Lomax
[ 2016.07.16 17:05:22 ] Anogra > how might i be of assistance?
[ 2016.07.16 17:05:36 ] Sir Lomax > looking to hear more about recruitment.
[ 2016.07.16 17:07:58 ] Lord Periclitor > mi balls are itchy
[ 2016.07.16 17:08:20 ] Anogra > we are looking for pilots willing to live in wh's on a permanent basis and fly with us on the different fleets we do. Also pilots who are able to create some content on their own. we are not here to hold everyone's hand :D
[ 2016.07.16 17:08:33 ] Anogra > some info about us are in our recruitment add, in the forum post linked in the motd
[ 2016.07.16 17:08:34 ] Traavemynde > Lord Periclitor , i have told you several times to take a shower... Amarr has good one if you need...
[ 2016.07.16 17:08:41 ] Anogra > xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:08:45 ] Amarr Shakaru > lies
[ 2016.07.16 17:09:41 ] Anogra > quite now kids, papa is talking ;)
[ 2016.07.16 17:09:43 ] Lord Periclitor > i don't wanna shower with tom of Germany, I would feel slutty
[ 2016.07.16 17:10:26 ] Anogra > Sir Lomax anything not coverd there, feel free to ask
[ 2016.07.16 17:10:33 ] Traavemynde > just dont drop the soap
[ 2016.07.16 17:10:39 ] Anogra > my question to you, is why are you seaking to leave  Semper Ubi Sub Ubi ?

At this point Anogra opens a convo with me.

[ 2016.07.16 17:11:09 ] Anogra > [17:10:39] Anogra > my question to you, is why are you seaking to leave  Semper Ubi Sub Ubi ?
[ 2016.07.16 17:15:30 ] Anogra > [17:08:20] Anogra > we are looking for pilots willing to live in wh's on a permanent basis and fly with us on the different fleets we do. Also pilots who are able to create some content on their own. we are not here to hold everyones hand :D
[ 2016.07.16 17:15:33 ] Anogra > [17:08:33] Anogra > some info about us are in our recruitment add, in the forum post linked in the motd
[ 2016.07.16 17:15:39 ] Anogra > [17:10:25] Anogra > Sir Lomax anything not coverd there, feel free to ask
[ 2016.07.16 17:15:42 ] Anogra > [17:10:39] Anogra > my question to you, is why are you seaking to leave  Semper Ubi Sub Ubi ?
[ 2016.07.16 17:15:50 ] Anogra > that covers it till now i belive
[ 2016.07.16 17:15:58 ] Sir Lomax > lol ya,
[ 2016.07.16 17:16:27 ] Sir Lomax > You guys seem to have your stuff together
[ 2016.07.16 17:16:45 ] Sir Lomax > was looking around and saw you guys did ops, thought I would put out a feeler
[ 2016.07.16 17:18:24 ] Sir Lomax > what kind of wormhole are you looking to live in 'on a perment basis'?
[ 2016.07.16 17:19:10 ] Anogra > we are currently residing in a C3 while members accumelate skills and some isk. our next step up would be a C4 while people skill into the next tier doctrine and stock up on it
[ 2016.07.16 17:19:38 ] Anogra > due to we accept people of any skill level there are people with low skills that takes time to get into our doctrines
[ 2016.07.16 17:19:57 ] Anogra > and ofc, its summer and alot of people are prioritizing RL (as we encurage them)
[ 2016.07.16 17:20:06 ] Anogra > so no large change untill summer is over atleast
[ 2016.07.16 17:20:27 ] Sir Lomax > yea, i kno whow that is, summer people don't log in as much. Too much outside time
[ 2016.07.16 17:21:27 ] Anogra > its not a worry. they come back after summer, and if everything catches fire, they will come as well :D
[ 2016.07.16 17:21:49 ] Anogra > even i have alot less online time during summer even though i am working this summer, simply coz alot of rl stuff needed to be done
[ 2016.07.16 17:22:08 ] Sir Lomax > are you all german?
[ 2016.07.16 17:22:18 ] Sir Lomax > Any USTZ people, thats my primary time
[ 2016.07.16 17:22:31 ] Anogra > we got...ehm.. 0 germans atm xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:23:13 ] Sir Lomax > SCAN one of the pubs I jumped into had people speaking German is why i asked
[ 2016.07.16 17:23:14 ] Anogra > we have a couple of USTZ, though our primary and strongest tz is by far our eu
[ 2016.07.16 17:23:26 ] Anogra > simply because we havent gotten hands on anyone willing to build a ustz
[ 2016.07.16 17:27:19 ] Sir Lomax > Well i commend you on your efforts in this C4. Nothing more fun than rattling a cage :)
[ 2016.07.16 17:27:43 ] Anogra > always fun :D
[ 2016.07.16 17:28:48 ] Anogra > c4s are great for farming statics for pvp and pve :D
[ 2016.07.16 17:29:04 ] Sir Lomax > yep.
[ 2016.07.16 17:29:32 ] Anogra > i noticed ur current corp lives in one of those great ones
[ 2016.07.16 17:29:39 ] Anogra > C3/2 statics
[ 2016.07.16 17:29:56 ] Sir Lomax > yep
[ 2016.07.16 17:30:02 ] Anogra > short way for supplies, and easy to roll for better chains for pvp and c3 easy farm
[ 2016.07.16 17:30:39 ] Sir Lomax > we don't much farm anymore
[ 2016.07.16 17:30:48 ] Anogra > what makes u want to leave ur current corp? they seem fairly active and live in a nice wh
[ 2016.07.16 17:31:23 ] Sir Lomax > would save me a trip if you evict them :)
[ 2016.07.16 17:31:36 ] Anogra > even decent planets for PI those into that
[ 2016.07.16 17:31:44 ] Anogra > those elusive storm planets
[ 2016.07.16 17:31:52 ] Sir Lomax > lol the PI is trash in here
[ 2016.07.16 17:31:56 ] Anogra > sounds like you are unhappy with ur current corp. why?
[ 2016.07.16 17:32:12 ] Sir Lomax > I'm not unhappy. Just don't want to move my stuff
[ 2016.07.16 17:33:20 ] Anogra > -_-
[ 2016.07.16 17:33:33 ] Sir Lomax > if overall lazyness isn't a good reason to switch, i'm not sure what is
[ 2016.07.16 17:34:10 ] Anogra > haha, but thats only if we actually evict :P
[ 2016.07.16 17:34:26 ] Sir Lomax > you did evict those in that c1 or was that just an offline pos
[ 2016.07.16 17:34:54 ] Anogra > target of opportunity
[ 2016.07.16 17:34:56 ] Anogra > :D

[ 2016.07.16 17:35:14 ] Anogra > we evict if someone pisses us off, or if they have something we want
[ 2016.07.16 17:35:30 ] Sir Lomax > Thats a fair reason on both ends
[ 2016.07.16 17:35:40 ] Anogra > a lowsec small corp pissed us off by reffing some pocos. we replied with killing their alts tower in lowsec abit later with a small cap group
[ 2016.07.16 17:35:53 ] Anogra > but we dont evict for "fun" or "content"
[ 2016.07.16 17:36:20 ] Sir Lomax > I think only Wspan does that, and not really much anymore
[ 2016.07.16 17:36:54 ] Anogra > they tried to blackmail us not long after we moved in. "pay us 200m/month or we will evict you"
[ 2016.07.16 17:37:08 ] Sir Lomax > yea, thats one of their things
[ 2016.07.16 17:37:17 ] Sir Lomax > you would be amazed how many people just pay
[ 2016.07.16 17:37:24 ] Anogra > we laughed, killed and podded their scout and rolled the static xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:38:00 ] Sir Lomax > they do have a good shstick though, carpet all the holes, ransom everyone they meet.
[ 2016.07.16 17:38:35 ] Anogra > ye. but they aint really dangerous as they dont field proper fleets
[ 2016.07.16 17:38:36 ] Sir Lomax > thier trip wire network is boss though, they have people mapping chains not even in their holes, giving intel to everyone
[ 2016.07.16 17:38:51 ] Anogra > they try to "blob" in lesser ships and hope the ones they fight dont know how to use guardians xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:39:18 ] Anogra > anyways. i digress xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:39:29 ] Anogra > we are recruiting. no SP requierment or mandatory fleets
[ 2016.07.16 17:39:35 ] Anogra > people are asked to prio RL>game
[ 2016.07.16 17:39:42 ] Sir Lomax > makes sense
[ 2016.07.16 17:39:53 ] Anogra > but when they are online and something is up, we expect people to preform their best, whatever that is
[ 2016.07.16 17:40:14 ] Sir Lomax > when you say best, do you mean best ship? thats alway a point of contention fo rme
[ 2016.07.16 17:40:44 ] Sir Lomax > like i fly stuff because I prefer quanitty vs quality
[ 2016.07.16 17:40:56 ] Anogra > we happily share fits and experience and knowlage and expect members to share theirs as well with newbies. We have a code of conduct which prohibit members from scamming, ganking in highsec or other types of griefing
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:18 ] Anogra > preform their best = fly the best they can according to the doctrine/shiptype asked for
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:19 ] Sir Lomax > code of conduct? in EVE? thats a thing?
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:27 ] Sir Lomax > ahh
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:33 ] Anogra > we do have a higher moral expectation of people
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:43 ] Anogra > then most of eve
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:47 ] Anogra > mostly, just dont be a douchbag
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:50 ] Anogra > xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:53 ] Sir Lomax > lol fiar enough
[ 2016.07.16 17:41:54 ] Sir Lomax > haha
[ 2016.07.16 17:42:15 ] Anogra > when it comes to preforming. if we fly our BS doctrine, dont bring a frig unless the FC asks for it
[ 2016.07.16 17:42:28 ] Sir Lomax > ahh
[ 2016.07.16 17:42:59 ] Anogra > in random cruiser fleets most fits are welcome, though we do have some fits saved for our main armor fleets
[ 2016.07.16 17:43:20 ] Anogra > but logi fits are set in stone. no other fits are allowed or welcome without an FCs expressed consent
[ 2016.07.16 17:43:41 ] Sir Lomax > sure, some random shield logi in a bunch of armor would be nuts
[ 2016.07.16 17:43:54 ] Anogra > we also roll with that everyone skills into guardians so we always have logis, and can rotate who flies logi depending on how many we need
[ 2016.07.16 17:44:11 ] Anogra > our pve fleet is shield, and primarly consist of drakes + osprey
[ 2016.07.16 17:44:16 ] Anogra > cheap and efficent xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:44:20 ] Sir Lomax > totally
[ 2016.07.16 17:46:17 ] Anogra > we have some special rules when it comes to sites in our own wh. sleeper sites (anom, data and relic) are off limits apart from on our harvest ops
[ 2016.07.16 17:46:26 ] Anogra > ore/gas and nullsec data/relics are free for all
[ 2016.07.16 17:46:28 ] Sir Lomax > off limits?
[ 2016.07.16 17:46:41 ] Anogra > but in any other wh, all sites are free for all
[ 2016.07.16 17:46:51 ] Anogra > meaning, no one is allowed to do them outside the corp op
[ 2016.07.16 17:47:04 ] Sir Lomax > o are the corp ops scheduled ?
[ 2016.07.16 17:47:27 ] Anogra > same time and day each week
[ 2016.07.16 17:47:35 ] Anogra > so its predictable
[ 2016.07.16 17:47:46 ] Anogra > not a random ping "we do harve st now, durr durr"
[ 2016.07.16 17:47:47 ] Anogra > xD
[ 2016.07.16 17:48:24 ] Anogra > we also run a buyup program in the wh, buying anything people harvest from sites, ore, gas, relic, data, pi
[ 2016.07.16 17:48:30 ] Anogra > corp buys everything
[ 2016.07.16 17:49:08 ] Anogra > harvest ops are done on the same principle as the buyup. we have a spreadsheet where we put in when people join the fleet
[ 2016.07.16 17:49:15 ] Anogra > or when people leave
[ 2016.07.16 17:49:32 ] Sir Lomax > really, thats very similar to what sleeper social club used to do
[ 2016.07.16 17:49:32 ] Anogra > once fleet is over, stuff is piled and i pay everyone according to how long they have participated
[ 2016.07.16 17:50:20 ] Sir Lomax > you do that in a c3? I've only heard of that in like a c5 or higher
[ 2016.07.16 17:50:29 ] Anogra > corp takes 20% tax on buyup, rest is devided amongst people in fleet. its 1 share per warm body in fleet. adding alts will make it faster /more isk/h for everyone) but will not entitle said person to more then 1 share
[ 2016.07.16 17:50:45 ] Anogra > we buildt our system to be applicable anywhere we live
[ 2016.07.16 17:50:55 ] Anogra > so people are used to the system once we move to a higher class
[ 2016.07.16 17:51:05 ] Anogra > then there isent a new system in addition to a new wh and such
[ 2016.07.16 17:52:15 ] Sir Lomax > ahhh
[ 2016.07.16 17:55:03 ] Anogra > any questionas?
[ 2016.07.16 17:55:47 ] Sir Lomax > Not sure you would answer it honestly
[ 2016.07.16 17:55:53 ] Anogra > :)
[ 2016.07.16 17:55:57 ] Sir Lomax > lol
[ 2016.07.16 17:56:14 ] Anogra > give it a shot
[ 2016.07.16 17:56:21 ] Sir Lomax > Do you know who my main is?
[ 2016.07.16 17:56:26 ] Anogra > wcs i wont give an answer:)
[ 2016.07.16 17:57:06 ] Anogra > that is indeed an interesting question
[ 2016.07.16 17:57:22 ] Anogra > although the name seem familiar, i cant say anything pops up
[ 2016.07.16 17:57:54 ] Sir Lomax > So thats a no?
[ 2016.07.16 17:58:14 ] Anogra > kyllä
[ 2016.07.16 17:59:58 ] Sir Lomax > no, and I don't think you can make the umlou in EVE names in this game
[ 2016.07.16 18:00:17 ] Sir Lomax > is that how its spelled "Umlow"? the little dots above german letters
[ 2016.07.16 18:00:24 ] Sir Lomax > oomlou?
[ 2016.07.16 18:00:31 ] Anogra > its finnish actually
[ 2016.07.16 18:00:39 ] Anogra > the one i used
[ 2016.07.16 18:00:52 ] Anogra > kyllä = yes
[ 2016.07.16 18:01:02 ] Anogra > u could also use "joo" or "niin"
[ 2016.07.16 18:03:32 ] Sir Lomax > I'm learning a bunch of linguistic stuff from this conversation
[ 2016.07.16 18:03:44 ] Anogra > finnish is a messed up language
[ 2016.07.16 18:03:48 ] Anogra > i moved here about a month ago xD
[ 2016.07.16 18:04:59 ] Sir Lomax > From where?
[ 2016.07.16 18:05:07 ] Sir Lomax > you moved to Finland from?
[ 2016.07.16 18:05:23 ] Anogra > norway
[ 2016.07.16 18:05:58 ] Anogra > still not a german :P
[ 2016.07.16 18:06:15 ] Anogra > what made u belive we were primarly german? we'v been called russian twice, though we only have 1 russian with us xD
[ 2016.07.16 18:06:36 ] Sir Lomax > Google translate detected german
[ 2016.07.16 18:07:00 ] Anogra > google translate should stop hogging and share, coz its high as fuck xD
[ 2016.07.16 18:10:22 ] Sir Lomax > What I'm trying to figure out is how are SCAN, STRCU and your corp all linked, you say you're a c3 corp, but you're working together with epople in complicated histories
[ 2016.07.16 18:10:55 ] Sir Lomax > A bunch of you are from hole control, but now you're all kinda doing your own thing
[ 2016.07.16 18:12:28 ] Anogra > friends knows no boarders
[ 2016.07.16 18:12:30 ] Anogra > :D
[ 2016.07.16 18:12:47 ] Sir Lomax > yep. :D
[ 2016.07.16 18:48:07 ] Anogra > misses has movie and sweets ready. time to bail :D
[ 2016.07.16 18:48:09 ] Anogra > *wave
[ 2016.07.16 18:48:16 ] Sir Lomax > o/
[ 2016.07.16 18:48:25 ] Sir Lomax > GL with the misses'

This ended shortly before the timer was coming out. Anogra was part of the orginal invasion group, but was logging off to do whatever with his sweets.

About 15 players logged in and prepared for the final timer, which came and went, without any pressure from the attacking group. I guess we weren't a good target of opportunity at this point.

 Don't fuck with the sausage king of Chicago. 

Crazy, but after all this I could still go and join a wormhole corp :)

Special thanks to FOFO from HK for messaging me 4 days after the fact if we needed some help. :P Better late than never right?! haha

Monday, June 27, 2016

New Down The Pipe Ep. 61

Hi everyone,

Sorry for the late post/podcast. Bronya and I have been total slackers, but we have a new podcast for you. Its just us talking about things and catching up.

We tell stories, talk about new things, try and recruit people into Wspace PVP.


The intro music (my favorite part) is from Fever The Ghost - Source. I added it to the DTP intro music play list. Crazy video but great song.

Tuesday, May 10, 2016

New Down The Pipe Ep. 60

I'm going to start promoting my connection to Down the Pipe on this blog, because why not?

Short post that a new down the pipe is out, special guest Noobman from HK.


Saturday, May 7, 2016

Citadels and the human element

Hello space friends,

Citadels were released a week ago or so and we already have one up in our home.

The "Abe Froman". The sausage king of Chicago. I weep for future generation that doesn't know that reference. I named it this for two reasons. One, I thought it would be funny and two, Farris Bueller says very clearly to the camera when confronted by his friends in the movie, "you can never go too far". I always thought that was slightly profound and a play style dream for me.

One thing I've noticed from a small wormhole corp CEO's perspective, I've lost some control. You might think, so what, isn't less management responsibilities better? Yes and no, here's a scenario that we may see more in the future.

In our corp we have about 400 million worth random T1 cruisers, frigs, destroyers and haulers for everyone's use. These are ships with the primary reason for existence being, to be destroyed in PVP glory. Prior to the citadel release we had these ships sitting in a corp pub SMA for all in corp to use. Now, they're in the citadel.

Here lies the issue.

As we slowly trundle toward the eventuality of POS's being removed and everyone owning citadels we must begin to embrace the citadel way of life. So lets play like that POS is gone and I want to continue loaning out ships and equipment using a shared Corp hanger system.

What happens if I or any corp gets a bad egg? Someone with mayhem on their mind. Not just an infiltrator but a person not so different than myself that just wants to see the world burn.

There are two scenarios that I've thought about.

1. The New Recruit -- This person joins the corp with a citadel and shared hanger with the give no fucks attitude. Day one, he scoops all the shared hanger stuff and places them in his personal hanger. He doesn't tell anyone hes done it, and no one really knows he's done it since there isn't a record that I can find at this time.

Now that new recruit can't move the stuff because most of the time he can't fly half the stuff in there, but he's just doing it to troll the people who live there.

The question goes out, "Where is all the public stuff?" Silence. No one knows. No one saw it happen because its a small corp and not everyone pays attention to this. Fingers point, people say "Meh didn't want that shit anyway". Life goes on.

Then a little bit later as people go back to using the pub hanger, he does it again.

More fingers point, more "didn't want it anyway", the CEO eventually admits that "This is why we can't have nice things". Pub hangers go away.

What happens to all the stuff that one guy scooped and stuffed into his personal hanger in the citadel? He could eventually move it out, but odds are this guy is just looking to troll folks or he may be been suspected and then purged.

The stuff remains.

What I'm wondering is, as these citadels live on and are slated to not be deconstructed but be transferred, the items remain inside of them. The older the citadel, the more things that could be inside of them as the greater the chance people leaving the game, not moving things out, or this very same citadel trolling occurs.

Since the citadel owner/CEO never truly knows whats inside of it, and decommissioning one in a wormhole would thus destroy its forgotten contents anyway. Why not just blow it up yourself to get the forgotten goodies inside.

**EDIT!!** Noobman from HK informed me that by decommissioning the citadel, it drops all the space goodies in lots and lots of cans.. Putting this in after the fact... Thnx Noobman!

This moves me to part 2.

2. The Reverse Safari CEO. A CEO who doesn't know whats inside, but suspects a great deal of things are inside, destroys it himself.

This can be done by a rogue CEO simply removing all corp roles to a citadel at the worst possible moment.

Now the debunked, leaderless corp simply needs to form a bash fleet to get maybe  half of their combined stuff out? When it does drop, its going to be in a huge pile of different peoples things spread out, some won't drop because of normal loot farie mechanics, but how would you divide that up?

You might be saying that, all that stuff could happen in POS's, but here's the difference. In a tower, you can see the modules holding your things. There is also a finite amount of space in each of those modules, which means all yes, you could do the same thing over multiple towers, but when your targets are spread out all over the place, risk is mitigated to an extent, simply from a theft logistics point of view. Also, FUEL, before you could siege a tower to the point where getting more fuel in the hole is an issue. A citadel is there holding all your things no matter if its fueled or not. This giant brick, holding all your stuff, that will be there forever, or until you gather up your forces for the promise of maybe half your stuff. Because your half, might not be the half that drops.

I'm not pointing out that I'm going to do any of these things, but after living in a wormholes for almost 5 years now, you tend to get a little paranoid. The "what ifs" become more actual threats that need to be addressed, because lets be real, this is EVE.

The question isn't "what are we going to do," the question is "what aren't we going to do?"

Tuesday, April 12, 2016

An apology to POS Party


Sir Lomax is my alt and I called you a liar.

In hind sight, that was a mistake and I apologize for it. I'm not without my faults and I'm doing my best to be a better person but the moment overcame me.

Please accept my apology, it was the salt talking.

I'll give you a quick understanding of my perception of events.  You opened into us and I baited with a ECM armor drake. A convo opened up asking if we wanted a 3v3, we figured you would just bring a winning set up and we would just lose anyway, so we decided against that. During that convo, you said you had 5 live humans online, we had 3. You guys came and bit the bait with multiple Gila, so we left.  Since Gila blobs are the universal symbol no fun will be had here, we figured we would roll.

I thought it would be fun to crash a hole with every battleship we owned, for the giggles. The blob landed, then they systematically hunted us down with 0 fun allowed fleets.

We later try and roll the hole again, and we are blobbed again. Later, after getting my pods back into the hole I bring 2 tech 1 ships, I get blobbed again. Over and over and over we were blobbed. You keep the hole from being rolled to essentially farm us with 5v1 fights, (which is a blast btw, thank you for that).

See even after you killed us over and over and over again, thats not the issue in my mind or what makes me salty.

My salt comes from my own actions and expectations that you would play the way WE (SUSU) wanted you to. That wasn't fair of us, it wasn't fair of me to hold you to a standard you weren't aware of or agreed to.

Our play style was in conflict with your play style and I was holding you to a different standard that you weren't aware of and thats not fair.

Please accept my dearest apologies for my heated words, it was a mistake and I'm sorry.

--- Longinius Spear

unsure of subject
From: CHarlie Andrard
Sent: 2016.04.12 07:37
To: Longinius Spear, 

Somethings been bothring me since our contact earlier so i just feel the need to throw this out there. I felt there was some hard feelings after we engaged your rollling ships, not because shit blew up because we all enjoy that, but because I was called a liar. I told you we had 5 people online and that was the truth. we had 2 more log in due to a ping that said "lol rolling ships trapped in our home, Come catch them." there were a few of us dual boxing as well, which still only leaves 7 warm bodies at their desks. I tried to talk to  Sir Lomax who called me on it but he blocked me. I  dont like people thinking we baited them into a blob since we held back people on the first engagement. I dont need a reply per se, but would appreciate it if you would forward the message. hope to shoot each other again sometime.

Gratz on your kills POS Party.

PS: I did find it tremendously funny when I jumped on your coms after the hole was rolled (again) and asked the 15 people on coms, to please stop podding, because they are just empty clones. It just makes me have to jump 10+ just to get back in the hole and reship.

They responded with. "No, I have a quota". That did make me giggle a little.

Saturday, April 2, 2016

Three unrelated real stories of recent SUSU shenanigans

Story 1 --I'm a screw up 

Nef pipes up in coms, "I have a Hicate with me on High Sec B and I just jumped in with my mammoth". We all ask if there is anything else on D and he says no. Everyone in corp immediately stops what they were doing and jumps into combat ships so they can assist.

Now Nef is an old hand when it comes to wormholes and he does exactly what you should do in this situation. Remain calm, answer questions and most of all hold your cloak as long as possible.

He instantly starts verbally kicking himself that he took the point off his hauling ship. This is what makes me laugh the most about our members, he isn't at all fearful of losing his ship or his cargo, he just wants to see others blow up.

We get some other corp mates who start heading his way. One in an astero and I think tard in his strat. We have more than enough to deal with the lone Hicate. I think though we were all content not engaging as quickly as we could, because we simply wanted more hostile ships to join in. Sorry Nef your ship and cargo is just impromptu bait for us. :P

Nef says that he is holding off on his shield rep cycle for us to show up. He doesn't want to make the hicate feel totally ineffective, so he is essentially 'bait tanking' in his hauling ship. He reassures us over coms that this guy isn't doing piss all dps and he could tank the dude for hours if he had to.

I ship into a bifrost. I've played high sec games before and jumping ships off their only escape is key to winning the high hole nonsense. Remember, any ship can jump out of the hole to safety, at any time if they are within 5k of the hole.  We are going to have none of that!

I'm listening to coms and I hear the astero say he has point on the ship, but no one has a web. He will be getting away for sure if I don't come in and save the day.

I jump into the C2 that has the high sec connection and warp directly to our Mammoth. Two reasons; if during the warp more ships appear, getting the bait out of there with a MJD would be important and because the hicate I'm sure is still staying with his target, making it possible to MJD the hicata away from his High sec freedom.

I notify my corpies that I'm going to jump him off, "Is he scrammed?" they answer "Yes". Ugg.. I say what must have been 4 times. "Scram off!

I land, I see the hicate is 4k from me. I activate the micro jump drive field generator. It begins to spool up. I'm screaming scram off, scram off.... for the love of god... "WHOOSHH! ... The hicate stays put and the rescue fleet is launched 100k in a random direction.

"Be free little hicate.... !!"

 The previously doomed hicate politely jumps to freedom to high sec. There is total silence in voice coms. I say... in a calm voice knowing I just totally hozed that. "god damn it."

"O well, my work here is done".

The tackling pilots explain later to me that he was in deep hull. ... Sigh..

Story 2 -Buzzard Auction

Vecii tells me in coms "There are Tech 1 probes in the C2a". I'm not really doing anything with all my characters I have logged in, so I figure I'd give an assist with trying to grab a scout kill. I move my sabre to the c2a.

Now what you should do in this situation is wait for an activation on the hole. I wasn't really paying attention and I ended up jumping into the hole with my sabre. This was a mistake. The main reason is, if you are hunting in a hole, any ship sign, ANY, can scare a potential target. As a professional wormhole hunter I should have known better.

I immediately apologize over coms to Vecii for my fuck up. Lucky for me the sabre has a cloak. I quickly get off the hole and cloak up.

We don't think the scout saw me so we wait to see what shows up on D scan. The only thing that was on scan this entire time was a single fly catcher in a force field. Since Vecii already scanned down the system, the first thing he checked was the POS to see if the fly catcher was piloted. It wasn't.

Eventually a buzzard appears on Dscan and drops tech 1 combat probes. That's weird we both said, is it looking for us? Nope, we figure out that it seems to be checking where the fly catcher is. After the pilot gets the fly catcher down to less than .25 AU, he pulls his combat probes and ejects from his ship.

His pod name matched his ship name.  "Did he just eject from his ship? Did we not find out if that fly catcher was in the Force field or not?" Vecii assured me, its definitely in the Force field by warping to the tower and watching the pod of the scout bump against the force field.

For some reason, that we have yet to figure out, the pod warps from the force field directly on to the C4 connection that my sabre is sitting cloaked on. I bubble up and kill him.

We do a quick Dscan and figure out the now dead scouts buzzard is 100k off the high sec wormhole connection that we already had scanned down.

Vecii jumps an alt into the hole and warps to the buzzard. Then jumps into the buzzard.

Free buzzard!

This is really where the story should end, but wspace is weird.

The previous buzzard owner asks in local if we took his buzzard, which we reply "What buzzard?"

Then he explains to us in local that he disconnected, which some how ejected him from his buzzard and made him warp away to another wormhole. I've not heard of this bug before, but I guess anything is possible right?

He tells us in local, that he would like the buzzard back. Well we can't give it back without a finders fee am I right? So we figure 35 million (the price of the hull and mods) is a good place to start. The wayward pilot agrees. We invite him to fleet and ask him to warp to us. Now, I don't know if he expected us to give him the buzzard and then wait for him to pay us or not, but we sit around waiting for payment that never comes.

Around this time,  Tard logs in and joins fleet. He asks in fleet, whats going on? Is someone selling a buzzard?

We answer yea, we are having an auction for it starting at 35 million. He says 'Sweet, I need a buzzard. Now for the record, Tard is on coms with us and knows fully well whats happening, but decides to play along and says "Can you link the fit?" So we link the fit in fleet with the previous buzzard owner there. He says "I bid 35m".

The previous buzzard owner now realizing that hes in a bidding war, bids 36m. Tard mullls over the new cost of the buzzard and bids 37m. This goes back and forth for a bit till Tard gets bored and says "Fine you can have it".

The previous buzzard owner seemed happy to have won and sends Vecii the money. We then give the buzzard back to the owner.

I guess he wasn't happy with buying back his own ship till he bid on it for a bit with someone of the same corp, that just stole it.

Story 3. -- Someone killed the teacher. 

Our scout pipes up on coms "I have... uhh.. about 10 ventures, some t1 scanning ships and a strat out in space in this c2, no force field".

I was like "whut?" He repeats it, and I said "Wtf are they doing out there?!" Scout says "I don't know but lets kill them!"

I say, "Well duh, of course".

The scout drops combats, quickly probes down the giant blob of random ships, yanks probes and gets on grid.

The scout says "These are from all different corps and doing what I think is a relic site?!!" I question him again. "In ventures, what the fuck?!" Since there is only 2 actual humans in corp I dual box an oracle and hecate.

In all honestly I didn't know what to expect, would they all ship up to save the strat? Would they try and fight us with ventures? No idea. I just knew that shooting them was the most effective way of saying Hi.

The scout gets point on the strat and I warp my DPS and tackle in.

All the little ships could have just killed us instead they just ran in all different directions. Some even warped back onto grid with the tackled strat. The tackled strat launced ECM300 drones so we didn't want to lose him, we doubled up the points on him. He never really put up a fight, and neither did the 20 some ships that warped away.

It was only after the ship exploded that I bothered to read local.

It said this, "Hi, We are conducting a class for 'March of the newbros', please don't shoot us".

I responded with "Well did you teach them that wormhole space is dangerous?"

There is a special place in my heart for people who take time out of their days to teach new people, so instantly I regret blowing up the teachers space ship.

A private convo opens up with me from  Emmaline Fera, which I guess I figure out after the fact is the CEO of POS party's alt, the corp I just left. (no bad blood, just wasn't for me). The weird thing is, she didn't annouce herself as that, just that she knew who I was and if i could come on voice coms and give some tips to the newbies. I was like sure, why not.

They gave me the recording, before you listen to it and hear me laughing like a crazy person when I jump on coms with them. Just know I have an entirely different perception of the events than they did.

See the way I looked at it, I was just doing what I do and they may have expected random pvp to occur. That's not at all how Tovanas viewed it. This guy, even after I refunded the cost of his ship I exploded was a bit salty about the exchange. He's one of those types of pilots that even if you bought him a ship, fit the ship for him, then flew to him in an identical ship which blows him up... he would still view it as losing something. I'm not sure what, because you bought him the ship and he isn't really losing something... it still makes him salty that he was a part of it at all. Weird right? Ok.. back to the story.. just thought it was interesting.

The vibe when I jumped on coms was of glee and excitement. Happy that something exploded, happier still that it was something I didn't own!

Had I known I had just essentially boarded a school bus, grabbed the teacher and slit his throat in the corner. All the students forced to watch and listen in terror before they are forced to leap out the bus windows.

I may have done things differently.

Like bring two oracles, ungrouped my guns, essentially jumping on the school bus with two chainsaw arms and cartwheeling my way to Vallhala!!! WHITENESS MEE!!


The  recording and target coms here. The SUSU scout tackles them around 1:37:00, so unless you want to learn something about scanning/wspace and what not. start listening there.

You can hear how totally out of place my giggling is based on the mood of that room. Whupse! Ahh O well, it'll grow hair on their little newbie chests to meet crazy people.

You're welcome.

Chainsaw hands.. and D cups of Justice!

Sunday, March 13, 2016

SUSU is Recruiting

Lets do this!

"So what you wanna do, sheeeit, I got a pocket full of rubbers and my homeboys do too" -- Snoop Dog

For those of you who have been reading my blog for a long time, or simply looked at older posts. :P

SUSU or Semper Ubi Sub Ubi was the corp I started shortly after being in Narwals Ate my Duck years ago. The corps focus was pvp 1st. Scouts get all the loot, we bite all bait and we try our best to fight everyone. We thanked those who we fought, we never broke our words and we respected everyone, especially our targets.

I've had my alt holding the SUSU corp for me, I have a wormhole, I've got the money for the towers/fuel. I bought a Team speak server, got a slack team and even dusted off the old kill board banner. Fuck it, why not?!

Our Goal:

 SUSU's focus will be what it always was, a place for pilots who want to pvp/scout and micro gang in lower class wspace. Rolling holes for pew. Fighting EVERYONE! I for one don't want to die a space billionaire. 

Wormhole Type: C4, static C2/C3, no effect. Not the most ideal hole but its a good starting place. Our end goal will be moving to a C4, static C2/C4 for the monster chains. 

Asset Security: For those who don't own their own tower or don't want to share a tower with a friend. We will be using a divisional access setup.

Mapping Software: Tripwire.

Voice Coms: Team Speak 3 


1.  A desire to fight more than bear. Plain and simple. If your burnt out on scanning, don't have a lot of time that day, plan just don't feel like it, thats cool. This game can be intense and a break does the body good.

The question I'll ask you when I hear you came across another group is. "Did you try and fight them?". If yes, good job. If no, you should have a good reason. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day.

I don't care if you won, though winning is good, but I care more if you charged in and exploded laughing like a crazy person. WITNESS ME!

 2. You need to be a mellow person on coms. Critical peeps, try hards, can keep on walking. My goal is for a minimal drama corp. I know that's a big ask, but the only way you can get into the corp is if everyone online at that time says "Yes". We will conduct interviews together as a corp, not behind closed doors and everyone will vote on it.

 3. O yea, ship skills. You must be able to scan, warp cloaked and tackle. Everything else we can improve or lead you through. Even a 3 week old newbie in a griffin is useful. Hell I've seen a newbie ship loaded with ECM that was critical to engagements. With that said, newbies are welcome, but you need to be able to warp cloaked/scan and tackle.

4. Ships required. Armor T2 and T1. Kite ships are secondary. Creativity and fun fleets take priority. Lets fly some MJD rail brutix! Lets fly some cruise missile raven gangs... Smart bombing hyperions! YOLO/solo/pvp Kronos! Falcon gangs. You can't kill shit but sure is funny as hell!

Leave the T3/T2 logi/bhaalgorn garbage at home, I'm after quantity of fights, not super dank KMs.


If you're on coms and you hear there are targets in the chain. You drop what your doing and form up to fight (within reason of course). Loaner ships can be provided, but your goal should be to give our targets hell!

I want to be the little guys that people want to be connected to, because we are little but we fucking bring it! We may die in a fire.. but god damn it, we had fun doing it.

If you don't like losing ships (within reason of course) we might not be good for you.

Recruitment: Contact me in game. Longinius Spear. Drop into our pub channel. "SUSU-Pub"

We can chat and go through the typical Q&A. Get to know each other and the people in the corp, find out if you want to throw down for no reason other than to see something explode.

1v1 is your entrance fee.

Special Thanks: 

I dedicate this post and my new found inspiration to lead people into dumb fights to Tard Athonille.

He is the pilot I dream to become and its because of him I'm reminded about what truly matters when playing a spaceship game. No fucks given!

"You kids going to do the man dance or what??!" ---  Tard Athonille